Davidhahahahaha,
some certain person keeps using the wikipedia site on the www as a reference in his comment rants here. somebody keeps doing it in my grad class too! he got the doctoral smackdown today. was told ‘it’s not very reliable’ and ‘you can even edit it yourself’.
wikipedia sucks. i may even have to go in and add a little somethin somethin myself…..
I’m just wondering whether Gus will ever revise his opinions that Iraq had nothing to do with terrorists prior to our invasion, that Iraq had no WMD programs, that Iraq had no links to al Quada, etc., etc. Or will you have to go edit the Wikipedia articles to give him justification for doing so?
Why would people even go to Wiki.
It’s not that simple, a-holes, as I described (and as you could try for yourself). Yeah, try it! Measure how fast your BS gets the boot! I double-dog dare you!
I’m still waiting for some proof that sneaky nameless “Democrats” had monkeyed with Wikipedia. Or did you get that newsflash from Fox, NewsMax or the Washington Times, presumably the only sources “trustworthy” enough for you?
Academic work is truly a different animal. They have standards that can’t be relied on out here in blogland. But again, you can’t throw out the baby with that bathwater– if you have specific issues with something on WiPed, kindly provide proof of your view and if it floats you will be one of the noble contributors to the greater world of Truth, instead of just queefing in the wind, pussies!
Gus, you used Wiki to support your claim that “Hitler and the Nazis” was not a second-class beach party film….oh, sorry, got confused; that Hitler and the Nazis were NOT socialists. I guess you get upset at facing the truth of your political affiliations being shared with Hitler. So, with that:
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
– Adolf Hitler
“We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces.”
– Joseph Goebbels
(Taken from “Hitler’s Secret Conversations 1941-1944” by Norman Cameron, published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953)
(Hat tip to Kingfisher at RWN for the info)
Does Gus really believe that Nazis weren’t socialists? Doesn’t he know what “Nazi” stands for?
that’s right greree, he will generally acknowledge what nazi stands for bu twill insist that nazis were socialists only in name…
look here for the story gus.
aw, Mlah, do you REALLY think Gus will approve of information jcited that DIDN”T come from the NYT or Dan Rather? He’ll just claim it ain’t credible, blather something about “Faux” News, and tell you what morons we all are and then challenge us to refute his sources yet again.
“look *here* for the story gus”
Oh my gawd! This must be a first! Mlah is using sources! Thank you, Jeebus!
And what an interesting article it is! See, the way you told the story before was that it was Democratic senatorial staffers doing the sleezy editing. Which was true, but only part (about half, to be exact) of the story, as actually reading your link educates us. It seems Repuglican senatorial staffers were at least equally at fault for doing the similar things! Ain’t that a kick in the head?!
(Three Dem Sens’ entries were unfairly edited by their own staff, and 1 Dem Sen’s was vandalized by the opposition– 3 times– while 2 Repug Sens’ entries were edited unfairly by their own staff, and 1 Repug Sen was vandalized by the opposition– 2 times– plus Santorum’s staff tried to white-wash a related article about his controversy with the gays.)
Hey, thanks for clearing that up!!!
But there’s still the other question of the believability of WikiPedia.
I hadn’t known how all the edits are logged by time and IP address, did you? And discussed, too. These abuses by senate staffers were corrected, and I’m sure all controversial items are regularly policed by both sides as if they were East/West Berlin’s old borders. You must admit it’s a pretty neat system they’ve got in place, much more responsive than old-skool encyclopedias. I really don’t know why you have such a hard-on for it.
As for Hitler’s National Socialism blahblahblah, if you really insist on giving this dead horse some more swats… read this first, from the intellectual godfather of the Neo-Cons, Leo Strauss:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
What was Hitler’s prime evil? Genocide of Jews. Where did America’s Left largely come from? Jews! Please explain this to me!
Why aren’t all countries which have Socialist elements (incl. UK, Canada, Venezuela, Sweden, etc., etc.) all practicing genocide? Please explain this to me!
How did Hitler’s economic ideas play out negatively? Please explain this to me!
Why did Hitler hate Communists so much– aren’t their economic ideas similar? From the Reichstag fire (blamed on a Communist conspiracy, and used as an excuse by the Nazis to close the Communist Party of Germany’s offices, ban its press and arrest its leaders) to WWII? Please explain this to me, dingleberries!
BTW, what makes me a Socialist? (We’ve been thru this a few times already, too.)
I don’t consider myself one, and don’t know anyone who does. There might still be a few left, tapping away on old manual typewriters in Lower East Side basements, but as a word and an ideology, it doesn’t really have any currency in America today.
I am a unrepentant Liberal Democrat, and I’ve never hid that. The issues you all and I argue fit well within the parameters of robust capitalism. I just wonder why you bother with the whole “Socialism, nyah-nyah” thing.
Oh, it is easier than admitting you’re full of crap, that’s a good point!
Anyways, if you’re such economic conservatives, don’t Bush’s deficits bother you? What would your ultimate goals for US econ policy be? I’m really curious. Lay your cards on the table. No taxes for anyone? Cuz you seem to be implying that any and all taxes = socialism, but that can’t be right, can it? Please correct me if necessary. Tell us all about your radiant vision of the future!
so Hitler WASN’T a Socialist because he murdered Jews, izzat what you’re saying there, Gus? Because the JEWS were responsible for the creation of the political Left in America? Sheesh, talk about your load of shite!
Why do you point to Strauss and his “reductio ad Hitlerum” adage? Were the topic of the post “Hitler was a vegan and therefore vegans are evil” or something, that might be apropos. But the topic is your reliance on Wikipedia and its fallibility. And the sidebar is your refusal to acknowledge that Hitler’s Nazis were socialists. A group with which you share many common political beliefs. I didn’t say that because you only have one testicle you are evil like Hitler, I said that you have many of the same political beliefs as Hitler (and instead of the racial purity conepts, you practise an ideological purity one). I also said that you try to hide this fact by painting Republicans and conservatives with the “Nazi” label.
Why aren’t Canada and the other modern Socialist states playing genocide? Well, give the Netherlands and other Western European states some time here, they’re enacting the eugenics protocols again…. But I would submit that the Eurocentric states are so painfully aware of where state power could take them based on the (failed) examples of Nazi Germany and the USSR (another mass murdering state of note), and take great pains to avoid falling into that particular pifall.
Why did Hitler hate communists so much? Ummm, competition for ultimate power? Something about the professed goal of “communists” to place power in the hands of the unwashed masses, rather than in the hands of the socialist elite, perhaps?
Failures of Hitler’s economic policies? Well, he DID manage to institute corporate slavery through his Todt Organization…..
As for you not viewing yourself as a socialist, I retort that I don’t see myself as an overweight, balding middle-aged man. Still doesn’t change the reality (and neither does repackaging “socialism” as some sort of new “third way” political system). Now, take a piece of paper, write out your economic policy wish list, and then decide whether it depends on a government policy that allows people to keep their money and use it as they want, or take that money and put it to better use through social welfare programs. Your professed opinions over the years have indicated the answer will be the latter.
Where does the whole Bush agenda come into this argument? Did Bush write a Wiki article? Did you find a Wiki article on Bush’s policies? Or are you just trying to change the course of discussion away from your ideological failings?
Nice link to WikiPedia Watch.
Did you know that since wiki updated their system, it’s even harder for them to verify contributor’s information? Now THERE’S a source you want to sight in an argument!
I wrote about Wikipedia back in December. If ya wanna check it out, be my guest…except you, Gus…you’re gonna blow a gasket any minute and personally, I don’t like whiney libs hanging around my site (unless female). No offense.
Oh, kiss my ass. WikiPedia has tons of properly sourced info and is not tilted to Liberals. Information is clearly like kryptonite to you. Trying to deflect entire issues by whining about WiPed is beyond silly.
“so Hitler WASNT a Socialist because he murdered Jews…?
“Why do you point to Strauss and his reductio ad Hitlerum adage?”
Socialism does not make you kill Jews, idiot. Strauss’s adage makes perfect sense here. Sharing Hitler’s economic plank is as consequential in predicting evil as sharing his uni-testicular state. Your grasp of logic is truly pathetic.
“I said that you have many of the same political beliefs as Hitler (and instead of the racial purity conepts, you practise an ideological purity one). I also said that you try to hide this fact by painting Republicans and conservatives with the Nazi label.”
Oh? Just what are these “many of the same political beliefs” I share with Hitler? Nobody would still be talking about him unless he had a little genocide problem, so as long as I don’t share that particular trait then frankly I’m happy!
When did I call you a Nazi? I never have. We’ve discussed this to death already, too, ya lying-ass muthafucka.
Ideological purity? What the hell does that mean? I have strong political feelings– and so do you or we wouldn’t be here arguing! Look at all the Bush appointees who have turned on the administration and been virtually blacklisted!
The Netherlands is now “enacting the eugenics protocols again”? How so? I missed that in my copy of Eugenics Weekly magazine! There is a rising tide of anti-immigrant feeling in Europe, but it’s coming from the Right not the Left, and you guys wanting a wall on the Mexican border are just as jumpy.
“Something about the professed goal of communists to place power in the hands of the unwashed masses, rather than in the hands of the socialist elite, perhaps?”
Perhaps not. Quit grasping at straws. Hitler stressed the “National”(ist) in National Socialism. He didn’t whip people up with his economic ideas.
“corporate slavery through his Todt Organization”
And in what way is that socialist in nature? How does it jibe with Goebbels’ statement above: “The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces? They were prisoners of war– all dreaded foreigners, not Germans. These works projects were just one option in the larger concentration camp scheme, hardly an outgrowth of economic theories.
“As for you not viewing yourself as a socialist… decide whether it depends on a government policy that allows people to keep their money and use it as they want, or take that money and put it to better use through social welfare programs.”
Hey, Repuglicans have had control of everything for quite a while now and social welfare programs, while somewhat weakened, still stand. I guess that makes them Socialists, too. What about the recent Medicare Drug Benefit? An unfunded socialist nightmare pushed thru by Bush! How about corporate welfare? Military welfare? Faith-based welfare? Get real.
“Where does the whole Bush agenda come into this argument?”
You are saying that I’m a Socialist, a charge which usually comes from small-gov’t, fiscal conservatives, yet small-gov’t, fiscal conservatives are just as disgusted by W’s deficits as I am.
Wikipedia is the bestest thing on the Internet! That’s what I have to draw from your vocal and determined defense of it as the source of all knowledge. Yee haw! Personally, I would rather you cite your pal Juan Cole again.
Economic policies as a predictor of evil? Ummm, Gus, we never got into that. We simply pointed out that you and Hitler shared a lot of common political ideas based on your shared affinity for socialism. You and the Left use that sort of comparison as a pejorative, because Hitler=Evil and dragging Hitler’s name into a comparison instantly paints the target of the comparison as Evil Incarnate. Did we ever seriously contend that YOU are Evil like Hitler? I believe your evilness is of a MUCH lesser degree!
“He didnt whip people up with his economic ideas.” So Hitler came into power by telling all the Germanic volk that they were all worthy of approbation just because they existed? Gee, sounds a lot like the Leftist “self esteem” movement that really became entrenched in our society back in the 1980s; symptoms include all kids in a “competition” receiving awards just for showing up, the whole dissociation from “winners and losers” to enjoying the thrill of performance regardless of outcome, the feelings of entitlement that goes along with never being taught that there are losers in the world (usually named Gus….), etc.
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
Gus, although this iteration is post-war, I would advise you to check out the definition of “prisoner of war” then go back and look at who the Todt Organization dealt with.
re Netherlands: Pay more attention to things in the world than just your bloody leftist anti-americanism, Gus, and you might catch on to other things to which we sometimes refer here.
Have you seen resounding support for all Bush policies here, Gus? Have you seen accolades for all Republican-controlled Congressional decisions here? (Can you tell the difference between policies institituted by Congress and those instituted by the President?) Perhaps you are only focussing on issues that you take a personal interest in, in which we really do have opposing ideas?
oh, and Hitler was a NATIONALIST, so therefore, nationalism=Hitler! issat right, Gus? nationalism depends on patriotism, so any manifestation of patriotism must be a sign of Nazi fascism, right? so any patriotic people in the US, who believe in US nationalism, are therefore evil Nazis like Hitler. Gus has spoken!
Russ,
“Did you know that since wiki updated their system, its even harder for them to verify contributors information? Now THERES a source you want to sight in an argument!”
[Spelling policeman sez: you meant “cite”, not “sight”. I’m just looking out for your credibility, bud.]
How did they change their policy? I’m just curious, and your link doesn’t explain it. When you say “verify contributor’s info”, do you mean being able to trace their IP and such, or the info the contributor writes for a WiPed article? I can’t imagine their vetting of articles has been made more difficult– in fact I’m sure they’ve tightened those things up as time has gone on– so I assume your referring to the tracing? IP tracing itself doesn’t seem very meaningful to me in the first place, as a slimy senatorial aide can do his evil work from home just as easily as from work. Anyone can do it from anywhere, and there are also ways to fake your IP address. So please get back to us on that and tell us exactly why it should make the info less reliable.
“except you, Gus youre gonna blow a gasket any minute and personally, I dont like whiney libs hanging around my site (unless female).”
You must be new around here, as this is my normal tone and I’ve been at it for a couple of years, so the muscles involved are in great shape, thank you very much. It is a strenuous job educating liars and idiots, but ultimately very rewarding when I see that they are completely out of intellectual ammunition and have to resort to the cheapest emotional rhetoric possible– kind of like your saying I’m “gonna blow a gasket any minute” as if to invoke that “crazed” Howard Dean howl. “Democrats are so angry,” you can say next. “They’re must be insane.” Blow me, jackass. Follow the bouncing ball and see if I’m “whiney” or simply disagreeing with you in an entirely rational way. (BTW if I do start going to your site, will you allow me to speak, or kick me off?)
The rest of this responds to Yup.
“Wikipedia is the bestest thing on the Internet!”
While not perfect, it is very, very good (even Russ uses it sometimes!) and the longer it stays in business, the more accurate and comprehensive it’s becoming. Get on the bus, fellas. In any case, if you know of a better all-purpose internet info source, please let us all know. I have repeatedly asked Mlah for clarification on which sources he will accept and he hasn’t responded. I suppose it is much easier to pooh-pooh anything I say by attacking my sources as generally partisan or unreliable than to offer firm ground rules or even counter specific bits of my data with specifc bits of your own. My arguments don’t live or die on my WiPed use, anyway; I include it more as FYI background material (which you probably never botheriing reading anyway).
“Economic policies as a predictor of evil? Ummm, Gus, we never got into that. We simply pointed out that you and Hitler shared a lot of common political ideas based on your shared affinity for socialism.”
Then why bring up Hitler at all? You don’t even frigging know what any of his economic policies were, for crying out loud! It was totally implied in comparing Hitler to anyone and anything, a ridiculously loaded rhetorical gambit. You’re not just a cheap-shot artist to do it in the first place, but also a very bad liar to deny it later! Yawn.
“So Hitler came into power by telling all the Germanic volk that they were all worthy of approbation just because they existed? Gee, sounds a lot like the Leftist self esteem movement”
Let me see if I follow you on this one: since I said he was more of a Nationalist than a Socialist, then you’re saying that I’m saying that he must have whipped people up with feel-good “self-esteem” speeches? Right… no, I don’t follow you. I don’t think anyone could follow that, because I implied no such thing. But now that you mention it, that’s not the worst over-simplification of all his Master Race garbage that did get people on his side, except that it was exclusive in the extreme as opposed to today’s warmly inclusive kid-coddling. Boy, were there some “losers” (incl. Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, communists, etc.)!
“re Netherlands: Pay more attention to things in the world”
Obviously you have something very specific news item in mind that I just haven’t seen. BFD. Now get off your high horse and tell us what it is, as I’m probably not the only person here who is scratching their head over it. Whether it will ultimately make a meaningful link between Socialism and genocide, well, somehow I doubt it.
“Have you seen resounding support for all Bush policies here, Gus? Have you seen accolades for all Republican-controlled Congressional decisions here?”
I’ve seen a resounding lack of balls here to criticize your fellow Repuglicans, that’s for damn sure. Besides the immigration thing, in fact, I can’t remember it happening at all. It’s all about the Democrats. Just like how for Rush Limbaugh all problems can be traced to the Clintons, yeesh. I look forward to hearing more of your honest shame and distress about the Christian Right, suck-ass Tom Delay, etc.
Why the Geneva Conventions link? To show that Hitler wasn’t supposed to put prisoners of war in labor camps? That the was least of his problems with international law. And still does nothing to show any link between Socialist econ ideas and the madman that was Herr H. If I’m misconstruing your reasoning, maybe you could spell it out instead of just dropping it there and expecting me to guess at your point, if that’s not too much to ask for, hmmmm?!?!
Spelling policeman sez: you meant cite, not sight. Im just looking out for your credibility, bud.
Uh…thanks. If this were a spelling-bee and we were in 4th grade, you’d impress the hell out of me. As it stands, we aren’t, and you don’t.
So please get back to us on that and tell us exactly why it should make the info less reliable.
Why don’t I just let you read their disclaimer. And lose the attitude.
Here’s the part that jumps out at me, in case you miss it:
“Its structure allows anyone with an Internet connection and World Wide Web browser to alter the content found here. Therefore, please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been reviewed by professionals with the expertise necessary to provide you with complete, accurate or reliable information.”
Then there’s this article, Gus. For those who don’t want to read the whole thing, here’s the Cliff notes.
1) This statement appeared on Wikipedia: “John Seigenthaler Sr. was the assistant to Attorney General Robert Kennedy in the early 1960’s. For a brief time, he was thought to have been directly involved in the Kennedy assassinations of both John, and his brother, Bobby. Nothing was ever proven.”
2) John Seigenthaler, Sr. researched Wikipedia verification process and this is what happened:
I [John Seigenthaler, Sr.] phoned Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia’s founder and asked, “Do you … have any way to know who wrote that?”
“No, we don’t,” he said. Representatives of the other two websites said their computers are programmed to copy data verbatim from Wikipedia, never checking whether it is false or factual.
3) This is a followup article. The author of the lie came forward.
4) Wikipedia CHANGED IT’S POLICY allowing only registered users to submit and edit articles. As of today, identities still ARE NOT VERIFIED.
Is that clear enough for you Gus?
Follow the bouncing ball and see if Im whiney or simply disagreeing with you in an entirely rational way. (BTW if I do start going to your site, will you allow me to speak, or kick me off?)
Rational? Are you serious. Attacking the person by name calling instead of debating the issue intelligently? Come to my site and act the way you do here and you’ll be banned, your comment deleted, and you will probably ridiculed and laughed at by any and all who post — including the liberals. That’s not a threat, my friend…it’s a promise of exactly what will happen.
This is where I get all of my information from!! It’s like the anti-Wiki. They’re much more credible than Wiki too…
OK Gus, you tell me. What were Hitler’s economic policies? How did he set his prime rates? On what bases did he decide to tighten or loosen the money supply? How did he regulate banking within the country to ensure these policies were put into effect? What did he do about gold and silver bullion supplies in the country? What tarriffs did he apply and which did he repeal, and why? Can you give me some comprehensive information to answer these questions, or will you continue to confuse “economic policies” with “social policies”? Dumbass.
and I pointed you to the Geneva Conventions so you would understand what a Prisoner of War is, and not make the stupid mistake of calling those organized through the Todt Organization as POWs. Todt essentially drafted civilians from Germany, and impressed (enslaved, as wiki puts it) civilians from occupied countries, to work in the factories and construction projects. POWs were handled through the stalag POW camps, through military channels as opposed to through civilian channels.
oddly enough, the whole concept of Todt Organization touches on your demands for information on Hitler’s economic policies. The first job given the TO was to build the Autobahn system, which was viewed an important impetus for economic reconstruction. Of course, the side benefit is that allowed the troops to move rapidly across the country….which is why we built our Interstate Highway system under Eisenhower. But I digress. The point was your total ignorance on what exactly a POW is.
Gus said nobody would be talking about Hitler today unless he had a genocide problem. Is that why the Left keeps referring to GWB as Hitler? Because GWB is rounding people up and committing genocide? All the Leftists being put into those special secret FEMA camps out in Montana, then sent to the gas chambers? Have you got your relocation notice, Gus? Are you afraid of being packed off to the special camps?
But despite your claim, Gus, Hitler would still be talked about because he lead Germany in one of the most destructive wars ever, regardless of what he did to 12 millions people within the borders he controlled. Hitler stood up to international pressure, gave blithe promises that he would go no further, then “snuck in” and conquered whole new territories. Hitler showed us what appeasement of brutal dictators can buy the rest of the world. Hitler gives us fair warning of what could happen if we pursue an appeasement policy today in an age of rapidly spreading nuclear weaponry.
“If this were a spelling-bee and we were in 4th grade, youd impress the hell out of me.”
Like I said, Russ, I was just looking out for your future credibility– on online forums like this and in real life– buddy. Relax.
“Why dont I just let you read their disclaimer.”
Sure, their lawyers, like the other encyclopedias’ lawyers on the bottom of the page, make them do that just so they won’t get sued. As also noted in said disclaimer: “That is not to say that you will not find valuable and accurate information in Wikipedia; much of the time you will,” which is presumably why you yourself admitted to using it sometimes.
To get philosophical for a minute, are there such things as Truth and Fact? Mlah is fond of saying “Hey, I can quote any damn webpage as proof, but that doesn’t really make it true.” I had no idea you guys were such post-modernists!
Can anything on the Web– or anything that anyone utters– truly claim to be Truth? It’s a valid question. We know the Bush Administration had a problem with the “reality-based” foreign policy establishment and prefers to foist its own narratives on to history. If there is no Truth, then perhaps Will must fill the void. Hey, that reminds me of a little German film from 1934, Triumph of the Will, by Leni Reifenstahl!
In sum, WikiPedia is to some degree open to abuses, I admit that. They are also diligent about correcting bad information and in no way tilted to the Left. So until you come up with more egregious (and recent) cases than the little joke on Mr. Siegenthaler, I will continue to take their info as solid. And until you come up with a better online source of such depth and breadth– or Mlah makes known what his approved info sources are– I will keep pointing to WiPed as a good background, FYI source. You bang home their inability to trace people who add content– I already suggested that that isn’t very important, it’s the additions themselves which need to be vetted, not who did the adding.
“Rational? Are you serious. Attacking the person by name calling instead of debating the issue intelligently?”
Not only can I walk and chew gum at the same time, but I can also debate issues intelligently and call you rude names at the same time! I’m coordinated that way. Sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities. Pussy!
Yup,
“What were Hitlers economic policies?”
You know, I have no freaking idea, myself, hahaha! And most other people don’t, either. No one talks about them, for the perfectly good reason that his little genocide problem (and, yes, you’re right, also his little World War-starting, territory-gobbling problems) eclipse them by a country mile. But isn’t Socialism primarily an economic system? Why else would you say “decide whether it depends on a government policy that allows people to keep their money and use it as they want, or take that money and put it to better use through social welfare programs” unless you were trying to make the comparison between Hitler’s National Socialism and my suppposed Socialist economic tendencies? This is getting ridiculous. Tell me what you imagine I share with Hitler, or just shut the hell up. Please.
“or will you continue to confuse ‘economic policies’ with’social policies’?”
I don’t understand what you mean. Please make your argument clearer. I want to be sure I understand you. Before I fucking destroy your sad excuse for logic.
“Is that why the Left keeps referring to GWB as Hitler?”
We’ve been thru this a zillion times already, too. Sweet Jesus. I don’t call Bush Hitler and I would advise all my friends to avoid doing so, also. If you catch someone doing that, you have my OK to beat their ass. Now if only you would only refrain from doing the same thing to me! I believe the last time this came up publicly was before the 2004 election, when MoveOn took video submissions from the public and had members vote on them. The Bush = Hitler one, while recognized as a good laugh to let off steam, didn’t fare well in the voting and was never approved for use. Jewish groups have complained that comparisons to Hitler– coming from both the Right and the Left– should be frowned upon as insensitve hyperbole trivializing the Holocaust. It’s 2006 now. MoveOn, indeed, Yup. Apparently it is still OK to say “FemiNazi”, however!
Sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities. Pussy!
You were doing so good up until that point. It’s not that you offended me, Gus…it’s the “internet muscles” people like you get while blogging. You say things in here that you wouldn’t say to a stranger face-to-face, because you know in here you won’t get your ass beat stupid. To me, that’s an insecure coward.
“You say things in here that you wouldnt say to a stranger face-to-face, because you know in here you wont get your ass beat stupid. To me, thats an insecure coward. ”
We all want the world to know exactly how we feel, but are often constrained in meatspace by one taboo or another. In person, I am usually very mellow, polite and understanding. On blogs like this, where people are often represented only by their political beliefs and rhetorical skills (or lack thereof), I am much more liable to tell people what I think of them. Why just roll my eyes, as I would in meatspace, when there aren’t any immediate repurcussions for letting it rip? My thoughts are the same in either venue, it’s just a matter of feeling free to express them fully or not. I think we here at Mlah’s place enjoy the little adrenaline boost that comes with arguing. The “culture” that has evolved here isn’t conducive to sissies. Let it rip, dude!
Please please please, Gus, PLEASE tell me how there is no difference between an “economic policy” and a “social policy”, G’head. “[F]ucking destroy [my] sad excuse for logic” because I truly am curious.
gus you are who you are. there is no hiding it.
i’m going to make some guesses about you.
why just roll your eyes? let it rip. i’m apt to call you a coward for that statement if we ever meet. i AM the kind of person to do that in meatspace. if you can’t say it in real life, should you say it anonymously?
in meatspace, people tend to assume i am dumb, but then i don’t roll my eyes and they learn otherwise.
and don’t worry about the consequences gus. those will take care of themselves. you’ll win some, you’ll lose some, but you’ll always have the police to fall back on.
let it rip by all means. but if you can’t say it in meatspace, you shouldn’t really be saying it anywhere.
Yup, I repeat:
“Tell me what you imagine I share with Hitler, or just shut the hell up. Please.
or will you continue to confuse economic policies with social policies?
I dont understand what you mean. Please make your argument clearer. I want to be sure I understand you.”
Herr H’s genocide was definitely not an economic policy.
some ESL problems there, Gus? I’ve challenged you to back up your bluster with some cogent and lucid arguments, but you sidestep and cry about your lack of perceptiveness. Geez, typical liberal.
And all you can think of about Hitler is the GENOCIDE issue? So is that what was wrong with Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot? Just a little genocide problem, no big deal?
Hitler liked social welfare
Gus likes social welfare
Hitler liked to use the power of the state to try to alleviate economic woes
Gus likes to use the power of the state to try to alleviate economic woes
Hitler saw himself an “enem[y] of todays capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak”
Gus sees himself an “enem[y] of todays capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak”
Gus, shall I go on?
“Hitler liked social welfare
Gus likes social welfare
Gus, shall I go on?”
But what harm did H’s economic (or “social”, as you keep insisting) policies do, specifically the 3 that you’ve just mentioned above? There have been many others with those policies who didn’t do anything bad. The only conceivable reasons to compare someone to the dreaded H are to talk about abuses of state power that get people killed. I’ve lost what little respect I used to have for you, Yup. Please do us all a favor and kill yourself if you honestly believe any of what you’re saying.
Last Will and Testament: Having been condemned by a Leftist apologist putatively named Gus, I shall cease to go on living. I can’t live with the hatred coming from this vile waste of semen calling himself Gus aka trick-shot-f’in-cheney, and since that whorespawn putatively named Gus has lost all respect for me, I have decided that life is no longer worth living. Gus-the-bastard wins, because his belief in social welfare trumps my right to exist. Farewell. Unless, of course, wastrell Gus is willing to go on a little hunting trip with me?
Whatever, dude. I’m just glad we got to the bottom of this National Socialism meme. You are the squid squirting a cloud of ink to make your getaway. Empty jibberish.
Gus, you’re just mad because you and Hitler both believe (past-tense in H’s case) in social welfare, regardless of what Wikipedia tells you to believe. But we’ll let the subject lie now, k?