Davidgus doesn’t think conservatives are compassionate, or more specifically, that our compassion lacks any actual physical mainfestations.
1st. in regard to your most recent comment on my post motives. i decide when the floor is and is not open on this blog. feel free to start your own, provide us with the url and you get to decide the debating specifics.
next. you remember the outflow of money and help after 9-11? that wasn’t liberal only. tsunami relief? we were there too. and mind you gussie boy, you liberals were all safe at college while the military was there doing the work.
but now, i think you were looking more specifically at w’s policies?
well well well. w is actually trying to fix social security. democrats have been decrying it’s oncoming demise for 20 years. w wants to fix it. and the democrats oppose just for the sake of opposing.
lets take a look at social security as it exists now. it’s basically a pyramid scheme. pretty much like the socialist countries of eastern europe, which are of course now defunct. their social security programs went away, just like the democratic pyramid scheme is destined to. w wants me to have a retirement. he wants you to have one to gus, pretty compassionate of him.
let’s look at military intervention.
genocide happens in rwanda, democrats sit on the sideline, under the premise that the french will take care of it. how much more cruel could anyone possibly be? ‘just hold on all you tutus! the french are coming!’
somalia, the democrats pull us out.
time and again, the democrats are willing to act only when it is politically expedient to their own reelection campaigns.
which by the way is why hillary has adopted the position of pro choice AND anti murder. can’t have it both ways chick. we see both sides of your faces.
iraq is not and was not popular. w stuck it through. for you gus. w did it all for you. he did it so that gus could sleep comfortably in lansing at dawn, even though gus thinks w supporters lining the street is provacation to attack.
gus no doubt will say that these are not valid manifestations of compassion. your opinion gus.
oh, and wasn’t honest abe a republican? didn’t he fight a war to free the slaves? war mongering republicans! always starting wars to do what they think is right!
What I find interesting is that Gus believes that if his fellow travellers (Gus, for your edification, that’s an old code word for Communist sympathizers) can only keep trying they’ll eventually get it right. You know, the old saw that reads “If at first you don’t succede, try, try again.” Well, the Communist experiment failed in Europe, and although it took root in Russia, it eventually failed there. It is failing in China, Vietnam; oh it was close but didn’t quite work out in Cambodia (silly old Pol Pot just got carried away!). Cuba now, dear old Castro. He’s a great fun-loving guy, he plays baseball and everything! Never mind the country’s bankrupt (that the fault of the mean old Americans), they’re getting closer to success than ever before! And Che Guevara, my what a heroic figure. Sure, he brutally murdered hundreds, many at his own hands, merely for disagreeing with his interpretation of good-ole Karl’s writings, but hey, sometimes you have to break some eggs to make a cake.
I’d love to see Gus put up his own blog. That could get interesting.
I’m talking about Conservative policies, not just W, and definitely not 9-11, tsunami, etc. Things that contemporary (sorry, Abe) Conservatives constantly hold dear, and which distinguish them from Liberals.
Doing private accts for SS is not going to save it. Ask anyone. In the short term it’s gonna require an infusion of billions (from where?) and in the long run would require cuts in benefits just the same as if we did nothing to it from now until then. The only ones making out on the deal would be Wall Street.
Rwanda and Somalia, you seem to be mentioning as examples of what Dems DIDN’T have enough compassion to do. I’m honestly not that familiar with them, and they were unique situations, not straight policy matters. Anyhow they STILL don’t answer my challenge of what Conservative DO do with their compassion, doodoo-head. You fail! Liberals are more compassionate, inclusive and lovely, period.
Yup. you have a one-track mind. Communists behind every bush and tree! Let me state for the record: COMMUNISM WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN AMERICA. I know this to be true. We’ll never have a revolution here, unless maybe the markets go belly-up, and even then democracy would only be replaced by some form of martial fascism. You are an ugly person, Yup, but I still love you.
Mlah, which city was it in Texas that went to semiprivitized retirements? San Antonio? Austin? Can’t recall which. Anyway, about 20 years ago they did this thing that the Democrats say there is no need to do, and the people who participated in it are now enjoying signifigantly more retirement than those who opted for the “safer” standard retirement. Many European countries — those whom Gus wants us to be more like — have gone to the semiprivitized retirement schemes because they figured out that their Socialist promises would BANKRUPT their countries. When Billy Boy proposed semiprivitizing Social Security in his 1998 speech, all the Dems stood up and cheered. Now, when W is actually trying to implement the plan espoused by Bubba (and which was the original intent of FDR, who created the whole system of socialized retirements in this country), the Dems stand up and boo, claiming “it’s too risky” and using that old Commie (or should I say, envy inciting) tag line of “it only benefits the wealthy.” That last bit is guaranteed to get their ignorant supporters up in arms, that’s for sure. Talk about your huge acts of HYPOCRICY! And morons like Gus eat the Democrat’s talking points for breakfast and fart them out in fora like Mlah’s place.
Liberals are “more” followed by anything that works as a good, warm-and-fuzzy making adjective, because that’s what the Leftist Handbook tells them. And because morons like Gus have been programmed (brainwashed) to only accept such input from their political masters, they will refuse to acknowledge anything that is contrary to their basic programming.
Want to igonore anything that doesn’t fit into your self-perceptions as a Liberal? OK then Gus, go ahead and claim ignorance on some of the major foreign policy issues of the 1990s, like Rwanda and Somalia. We understand you were too busy then anyway, raving and taking Vitamin X, to be a responsible adult. And that was when your political masters were in power, and they hadn’t pushed your activism button to bring you on line yet, anyway.
Gus, I thought you like Communists? Fidel’s your bro, right? Why you so angry at being lumped together with them? Oh wait, the Communist movement is trying to revamp itself as the modern Socialist movement. OK, fine, Gus you are (and have admitted as much) a Socialist by that definition. Nothing but a Communist in sheep’s clothing. (hehe)
You still resort to name calling and labeling, of course. Now I’m ugly. A while back I was a fascist, a terrorist. Gee, I’m beginning to feel like you have a thing for me….
Oh and Gus, I find you to be arrogant, condescending and dismissive. I don’t believe you are capable of debating on the issues, because you continually resort to the “I’m better than you by definition” argument — as witnessed above. In short, you act like a shallow, vapid moron. Typical Liberal.
“I don’t believe you are capable of debating on the issues”
I am all about debating the issues and have been doing so for months, right here, if you haven’t noticed– with a hell of a lot more facts and figures than you guys can be bothered to bring to the table (hint: a good idea when debating).
The question remains (after all your bullcrap), and a simple question it was: Exactly which Conservative policies are at least as open-minded, compassionate and inclusive as Liberal policies?
OK, some people are already doing semi-private accounts. But how is that supposed to fix our system? Where are the initial billions gonna come from? Aren’t we still going to have to cut benefits?
“Leftist Handbook” “programmed (brainwashed)” “political masters”
You are a totally psychotic fantasist and sadist. I’m more widely read and independent-minded than any of you here, as well as more adept with basic logic and the scientific method, not to mention real love, tolerance and bravery.
Oh, and Liberals are a whole heck of a lot sexier and better in bed. Except maybe for you homosexual Navy types.
So now I am a fantasist and sadist, as well as all the other things you have named me. Does this mean you’ll soon be sending me Valentine’s cards, Gus? Of course, that still doesn’t change the fact that you’re a moron.
So where’s your cv? Why are you so afraid to post it? Where is your list of the human dregs you have personally saved and brought out of their plight into a better life? Where are the letters attesting to your altruism? What pimp did you rent the hos from who said you are better in bed — Bubba Clinton?
As for Social Security, that train is going to wreck no matter what, because Liberal politicians have made so many promises that they can no longer keep even with the Ponzi scheme that Social Security has become. Remember the whole economic restructuring we went through in the 1980s? Most companies came to the realization that they couldn’t maintain their generous pension systems, and the era of cradle-to-grave employment came to an end. Go find me a company that doesn’t have a pension scheme set up based on stock market performance (either of their company’s stock or some mutual fund-type vehicle). The government is now facing a similar transition. Either change the system, or the whole company (in this case, country) goes down in flames. The pain will either be short-lived (if we fix the problem now) or “someday” ruin our economy (if we ignore it). Morons like you, and good people who actually believed the government would take care of them their entire lives (because of the socialist crap spewing from people of Gus’ ilk), will be destitute. But our politicians (on both sides of the aisle) prefer to ignore the pending doom of “someday” in their collective quests for reelection. Most of them will be geezers living on the money they got from special interest groups by then, anyway. Leave tomorrow’s problems for tomorrow’s leaders! So that’s what you are all about, Gus? Let “the children” fend for themselves while you take all you can from the system? That’s what your vaunted compassion brings us?
And WHY WAS IT GOOD WHEN BUBBA PROPOSED IT but is so evil now that W wants to implement it? Huh, Gus? You hypocrite!
Oh, and Social Security is only part of it. There’s also Medicare. Even scarier! Especially since geezers and people like Gus are demanding the government pay for their viagra and other extraneous things to maintain their “quality of life!”
And Gus, I am glad to see that you have some respect for the Navy, even if it is only for the homosexualistics serving in it. Guess you’ve had some manly machinist’s mate to cuddle up with, huh?
you’re better read than any of us? probably not. but i can tell you’ve read socrates, by the way you think you know ‘true love’ and in the same breath espouse homosexual leanings. socrates described man-boy love affairs as true love, or love of the highest order.
you’re better read?
maybe, but i can ADD!
basic logic? you mean the cradle kind of logic right? where you squawk and this magical person come sand takes care of whatever you don’t like?
get out of the cradle gus! mom is tired of nursing you. i’m sure some navy acquaintances you made somewhere have something for you to suck on. come on gus! get off the teet of society and get a job!
scientific methos. you have to have facts for that gus, not some hippie’s opinion. i’ll take an eyewitness account often enough. but not your sourceless studies.
and freeing the iraqis, and afghanis from tyranny, that wasn’t compassion?
trying to rest wasted money from liberal programs to pay for defense and education. that’s not compassion?
oh, that’s right the democrats want to ‘leave some childrfen behind’. that way, there will be poor stupid people to vote democrat!
“So that’s what you are all about, Gus? Let ‘the children’ fend for themselves while you take all you can from the system? That’s what your vaunted compassion brings us”
Ooh, you know me so well. NOT! We’re in rare agreement that this should have been cleared up years ago, but both sides were too chicken-shit. “geezers and people like Gus are demanding the government pay for their viagra”– Yup
“get off the teet of society and get a job!” –Mlah
What is it exactly that I take from the system? As I’ve said 100 times before, I don’t get anything.
In any case, how you’ve convinced yourself that W’s plan actually fixes anything makes the “fastasist” label stick pretty well.
And I never did identify with Clinton, so please stop identifying him with me. He was not a Liberal Democrat, he was a Centrist, a member of the Democratic Leadership Council (look it up). I don’t know what he proposed for SS, I really don’t. Why didn’t it pass– did the Republican House stymie it? I do know Clinton was great at bringing down the deficit, so I would be kind of surprised to hear that his proposal was the exact same as W’s (which is gonna require many billions just to get off the ground).
“Guess you’ve had some manly machinist’s mate to cuddle up with, huh?” –Yup
“i’m sure some navy acquaintances you made somewhere have something for you to suck on” –Mlah
I love it when you guys talk dirty, hahaha!
“maybe, but i can ADD!”
OK, then, Mlah, then take us thru your understanding of how W’s SS proposal works.
“not your sourceless studies”
You guys dismissed the DoD, the research arm of the Library of Congress (not a book on their shelves), Harvard doctors, peer-reviewed academics, major newspapers– pretty convenient of you, not that you could ever source your disgruntledness. I asked what sources you will accept and you didn’t answer me. Ridiculous cry-babies. WAAAAAH!
“and freeing the iraqis, and afghanis from tyranny, that wasn’t compassion?”
If that had been the rationale going in, maybe I could accept that. But booting the Taleban was just an epiphenomenom of getting al-Queda. Now the heroin exports are booming again, the burqas are back on, but at least we’re building some air bases there. I almost would have gone along with invading Iraq if it had been proposed as a human rights mission from the start. But too many innocent people have been harmed.
“epiphenomenom” phenomenom, da-dah-di-dah-da, phenomenom da-da-di-dah! phenomenom, da-dah-di-dah-da, di-dah-da, di-dah-da-da-da dah-dah da-di-da. phenomenomenom, etc.
Gus fianlly agreed with me. Oh joy!
Clinton “was great at bringing down the deficit” because the Republican Congress forced him to do so. But give Bill his props, he was and remains the most masterful politician of our time, and he parlayed that episode into his own success story. I’m not arguing that issue, though. You crow about your research abilities and then state that you don’t know and don’t care to look into the issue of Billy’s Social Security reform proposal? While at the same time decrying W’s attempt to do the same thing? Huh? Huh? Edify us with your darn Wikipedia abilities, man!
And you gotta admit that the geezers making Medicare pay for their viagra is absolute horse pucky! At best they should get a one-time disbursement to purchase a Swedish pump ala Austin Powers….
Call me a “fastasist” all you like, because I’m there “fast” to “assist” those in need! HAHAHA! There’s my vaunted compassion!
Would you REALLY “have gone along with invading Iraq if it had been proposed as a human rights mission?” Really? Really really?
“Saddam Hussein’s use of mustard and nerve gas against the Kurds in 1988 was one of the 20th century’s most horrible atrocities. Five thousand men, women and children died. His campaign against the Kurds from 1987 to ’89 included mass summary executions, disappearances, arbitrary jail and ethnic cleansing, and the destruction of some 2,000 villages. He has also conducted ethnic cleansing against the Shia Iraqis and the Marsh Arabs whose culture has flourished for more than a millennium. Saddam Hussein’s police state ruthlessly eliminates anyone who dares to dissent. Iraq has more forced disappearance cases than any other country — tens of thousands of people reported missing in the past decade. Nothing points more clearly to Saddam Hussein’s dangerous intentions and the threat he poses to all of us than his calculated cruelty to his own citizens and to his neighbors. Clearly, Saddam Hussein and his regime will stop at nothing until something stops him.” That’s from Colin Powell’s testimony to the UN Security Council on 5 February 2003. The testimony in which the US laid out its case for renewing hostilities against Iraq. http://www.un.int/usa/03clp0205.htm
Well? Speak, boy! Come on Gus. Now that you’ve been caught out, either say you now support the Iraq invasion or shut up forever because you have been proved a liar!
That was Powell’s lowest moment, what bullcrap he had to peddle that day. He regrets it.
I haven’t been caught out on anything.
I’m an Amnesty Int’l member, human rights are where it’s at for me. The US has propped up many corrupt dictators (and continutes to do so). Including Saddam by your godhead Reagan! He was weak and crippled before we invaded. There was never any rush, unless you mean the election cycle. He had nothing significant to do with terrorism, esp. 9-11 (apparently 40% of Americans *still* believe that he did, and another bunch that we *did* find WMD there!). As much as AmInt’l is for human rights, I don’t think it is their policy to advocate invading sovereign countries. Saddam was contained, sanctioned up the wazoo and weapons inspectors were doing their thing.
If this admin was doing it for humanitarian reasons, but decided to sell it as a vaguely WMD issue, then it must have been precisely to alienate the left/W. Europe. That would be some stategy, if true! I came up with that on my own. Cuz we’ve never really known why it was such a rush. My best guess is to have a friendly gov’t there and another market for our goods. The oil, we can’t say yet, but keep following the money. If there hadn’t been such a bloody insurrection, I do believe many US companies would already be in there, absolutely.
Gus, you were presented with the evidence and refuse to accept it. WMD was only ONE aspect of the reasoning behind invasion. And the UN’s own reports (except those written post-invasion which were written to disprove the need for invasion) assert that there is a mystery regarding the disappearance of Saddam’s WMD program. The only reason W and Powell backed off was to alleviate political pressure at home (which was compounded by bureaucrats in the Intelligence Community who believe they, and not the elected officials, run the country and set policy, and who, like economists, don’t like to make concrete pronouncements because it’s safer to couch everything in weasel words in case they eventually can be proved wrong) and mollify the spineless Socialists in Europe (and at Gus’ house).
Gus, you will ALWAYS believe that the U.S. is evil (unless it becomes the Socialist Utopia that is modern France — which, by the way, has decided that since the worker-friendly 35 hour work week did nothing to improve their average 10% unemployment rate, has raised the work week back up to 40 hours) and its motives therefore are evil and anything the U.S. does, regardless of any altruistic outcome, is evil. So shut up. Or move to France (or Quebec) and continue your whining, you little lickspittle.
I recommend, since you are soooooo well read, that you pull out your copy of Dr. George Friedman’s latest book and go over his >dispassionateGus, you were presented with the evidence and refuse to accept it. WMD was only ONE aspect of the reasoning behind invasion. And the UN’s own reports (except those written post-invasion which were written to disprove the need for invasion) assert that there is a mystery regarding the disappearance of Saddam’s WMD program. The only reason W and Powell backed off was to alleviate political pressure at home (which was compounded by bureaucrats in the Intelligence Community who believe they, and not the elected officials, run the country and set policy, and who, like economists, don’t like to make concrete pronouncements because it’s safer to couch everything in weasel words in case they eventually can be proved wrong) and mollify the spineless Socialists in Europe (and at Gus’ house).
Gus, you will ALWAYS believe that the U.S. is evil (unless it becomes the Socialist Utopia that is modern France — which, by the way, has decided that since the worker-friendly 35 hour work week did nothing to improve their average 10% unemployment rate, has raised the work week back up to 40 hours) and its motives therefore are evil and anything the U.S. does, regardless of any altruistic outcome, is evil. So shut up. Or move to France (or Quebec) and continue your whining, you little lickspittle.
I recommend, since you are soooooo well read, that you pull out your copy of Dr. George Friedman’s latest book and go over his >dispassionate
WMD was the overriding and most alarmist reason for invading, no question. All the stuff about “gassing his own people” was from Reagan’s time. If you ask me, the plan had always been for CIA (pushed by Cheney) to trump things up as much as possible and have Tenet take the fall, as happened. He received the highest civilian medal after it was all over– he must have done something right! Total scam. A “mystery” surrounding Saddam’s WMD does not equal imminent mushroom clouds, sorry. The “reality-based” CIA analysts said the whole time that it stunk to high heaven.
W and Powell backed off of what? And mollified which Socialists in Western Europe. I didn’t see any backing off or mollifying, just continued pure arrogance (AKA “the American Way”). No one “alleviate[d] political pressure at home”– recall how W responded to the huge protests with a “That’s their right, but I don’t give a damn” sort of attitude. We’re not pure evil, though; we give lots of development and health money to practically everyone. I calls ’em as I sees ’em, but I know you get off on putting me in the unAmerican box cuz your mind only sees black & white.
“And oh, if EVER some U.S. company makes money in Iraq, then that justifies your claims that it was all about the oil money?”
Oh, is that what I said? NO. If, after most of our troops leave, US oil companies or the US gov’t go on to have any sizable, continuing preferential treatment vis-a-vis Iraq’s oil or new pipelines, then yes, that would clinch it for me. But if Joe Schmo goes in and sells some cell phones, that will be just a venial sin, not mortal sin. Happy Estrus, everybody!