David
riddle me this.
if people are voting for obama because he is muslim. or sort of muslim. what do they really know?
they think his middle name being hussein will endear him to islam? nope.
obama could very well be the very worst possible person to elect and have as a president in relation to muslim fundamentalism. why you might ask?
from a muslims point of view: the children of a muslim man are muslim. and of course the children of a muslim woman are muslim, because she would not be allowed/able to marry someone who is not a muslim. but the point here, in regard to obama, is that the children of a muslim man are muslim, IN THE EYES OF MUSLIMS.
this is dogma. it is not debatable. it is not my opinion. it is the opinion of islam for as long as it has existed.
so we come to obama. his father is muslim. in the eyes of islam. obama IS a muslim.
now some of you are going to think cool. that will give him a leg up on the arab street, or with muslim leaders when negotiating.
and i say, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
barack obama when asked if he is muslim will say he is episcopalian. he goes to church. he is NOT a muslim.
and you know what that means my friends? barack obama, in the eys of islam, is an APOSTATE. and we all know what the muslims think MUST be done with apostates. what? you don’t know?
it is every muslims duty to put any and every apostate to death.
and THIS is the man the dhimmocrats want to put in the white house?
On the other hand, Barak is a Luo, his father being a member of the Kenyan tribe. He would become a Luo president, and perhaps satisfy the demands of the Luo in Kanya (and their political associates throughout the land) for representation in the power structure. An Obama presidency could settle the entire power struggle in Kenya! Obama will bring peace to the land, and security to the Horn of Africa, which as we all know is one of the three key theaters of operations in the War on Terror.
So there you have it. Obama is good for peace in Africa. Obama is good for the War on Terror!! His patrimony will bring him an instant success in the foreign policy realm.
Heh.
Apostate. he will be forced to answer. the muslim press will celebrate the muslim president, or nominee, and he will be forced to decide. muslim or christian. and if he picks christian, he is worse than a christian president, he is a fallen muslim president.
he will be more unpopular than any us president ever. unless of course lieberman wins an election.
Uh…
A Luo president of the U.S. won’t help peace in Africa.
Sorry to tell you…
According to Islamic law, an apostate male is not to be put to death if he has not reached puberty (cf. ‘Umdat al-Salik o8.2; Hidayah vol. II p. 246).
last i checked gus, obama had reached puberty. in fact one of the requirements to hold the office of president of the united states is that you must have reached the age of 35. so i think that despite obamas much hyped youth, he has in fact reached puberty, and he is in fact an apostate, who should be afforded the opportunity to reconsider his faith and avoid the death penalty due him under islamic law. failure to reconsider of course, demands execution.
nice of you to play though.
Dz, I guess you missed the tongue-in-cheek tone of my post.
No, dummy– if a boy child chooses to leave Islam before he hits puberty, he’s off the hook.
Forever.
Gee Mlah, guess you’ve been owned by Gus and his wikifacts.
gus, i’m unfamiliar with any tenets of islam that do in fact allow for a person to EVER leave the fold. if you say otherwise, and can actually cite the qoran, or a sura, or the hadith, please give it to me.
but i tell you now in fact. more important than a tenet, cite me an instance. it has never happened and not resulted in a death sentence to my knowledge. to wit, i’ll cite you the muslim hubbub over princess diana and dodi fa’id. they claim she was pregnant with a muslim baby. and that THAT was the reason mi5 had her, and him killed.
i have personally sat in the sitting room sof muslims and listened to them tell me that was the case. less than 3 weeks after her death. though they did not have the mi5 part worked into the story yet. a muslim baby, is muslim forever. ask a muslim how some can leave islam, and they will tell you it is impossible. it just cannot happen. you might possess an obscure loophole. but if you do, i’m telling you it is a moot point.
in the eyes of muslims, barak hussein obama is a muslim, or an apostate. plain and simple.
Mlah: “if you say otherwise, and can actually cite the qoran, or a sura, or the hadith, please give it to me.”
I already did, dickface. See my comment above from February 25th, 2008 at 10:21 pm:
“(cf. Umdat al-Salik o8.2; Hidayah vol. II p. 246).”
Yup: “wikifacts”
I actually picked that up from a piece by JihadWatch’s Robert Spencer– a site you yourself, Mlah, link to:
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=%7bC8772E0E-73B9-4DDE-BEF1-DE6A1CB4C273%7d
“So is Obama under a death sentence? Probably not particularly if he left Islam while still a child. This is a crucial point, for according to Islamic law an apostate male is not to be put to death if he has not reached puberty”
Is the following site scholarly enough for you? This translation has been endorsed by the Islamic Research Academy at Al-Azhar, the most prestigious centre of learning in Sunni Islam. See the first light-blue text box.
“o8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to he killed.”
And not just anyone can likk an apostate, anyway:
“o8.3 It he is a freeman, no one besides the caliph or his representative may kill him.”
http://www.muhammadanism.org/Government/Government_apostasy_1.htm
Mlah: “you might possess an obscure loophole. but if you do, im telling you it is a moot point.”
It’s not my fault (nor Obama’s) if the Muslims you’ve met don’t know their chapter and verse. Just as it’s not your fault (or GWB’s) if some Christians have felt compelled to murder abortion doctors because of their faulty understanding of the Bible. Your concern for Obama’s safety is charming, though.
“likk an apostate”
Eeew! Who would want to to lick an apostate? Sorry about that little bout of dyslexia– that should read “kill”.
I was sorta wondering about that, Gus….
And since your normal source of materials seems to be the wacky world of wikipedia (and yes, even I have been busy inserting my reality into that world), can you blame me for saying that?
Yes, those evil abortion-clinic-bomber Christians and their “faulty understanding of the Bible.” I wonder if that was a factor for that Kennedy dude who drowned his hookup? Perhaps he took her for a witch needing to be thrown in the lake to see if she floats like a duck. He was probably sore because she turned him into a newt.
Better a newt than a Newt!